Jul 2006
I'll start. Pirates post.
Jul 27 2006 18:30 Filed in: Theories,
Analysis, Spoilers
I
recently posted this on another blog. Thought I'd
list it here too. You can read the whole blog
here.
Agree with most of ang wa, and some of Peter's comments. Interesting aspects that I did not consider. You have some great points, witty, but "left him behind TWICE because of that "he fell behind" code." I know his crew, with Mr. Gibb, left twice, but I just watched Pearl again and Will & Elizabeth only did once(?) since the Pearl crew had already left. But really, much like the whole kiss/shackle in Chest, Will KO'd Jack with an oar and left him there, possibly to die, was not so much of a "fall behind" as a trick/betrayal.
And that is I think part of the point.
Jack is not a "done" character yet. Classic anti-hero to be sure, TPTB are simply making an argument about being a "good man" and a "pirate: def. as whoring, thieving, manipulative, drunk bastard(?)" are not necessarily mutually exclusive. And they are juxtaposing that with the "good" Will/Elizabeth.
Betrayal requires 2 parties: the betrayer and the betrayed. Jack doesn't seem to hold a grudge (hates Pearl crew, not Will, Gibb) about being left behind, only heckling Mr. Gibb about the code at the end. But Will, in Pearl, has a guilty face when he says that Jack "fell behind." Yet he doesn't seem to feel too bad about leaving a "man who would trade another man's life for a ship" (to quote Elizabeth) behind. Why? He's "a pirate" to quote Will, and perhaps it's not wrong to betray a pirate(?). In Chest, Elizabeth obviously feels remorse (though claiming she's "not sorry"), but whether she feels bad about the trick, or the kiss (and it's implications) I cannot say.
As to Sparrow's selfishness and all, I say "pirate." Agreeing with the other posts, he planned to use Will as "leverage" to get back his ship, working each turn of events to his best advantage in Pearl and he managed to work it all out in the end. Yes he tricks Will, sells him out, wants the key/chest for his own ends, yada-Pirate, but getting the heart will save himself (Jack's priority 1) and everyone else, in theory. Part of his not caring for others is "pirate," the other part an act. Flirting with Elizabeth is just sport. Yes he'd tap that if he could, don't think he's really making a play.
I think some people see a "change" in Jack because, like Will and Elizabeth, they WANT him to want to be a good man, and act like the hero we "know he can be" because we love the character so much. Jack gets a pass from everyone (audience and film characters) at the end of Pearl because it all worked out OK in the end. After Chest - to state the obvious - Jack, Will, et al, the story - not done yet. And what I see evolving as much as anything, is that Will & Elizabeth are already a lot more like Jack than they think. Elizabeth has always had a fascination with pirates, and it would seem does want a pirate. His name is Will. IMO.
Agree with most of ang wa, and some of Peter's comments. Interesting aspects that I did not consider. You have some great points, witty, but "left him behind TWICE because of that "he fell behind" code." I know his crew, with Mr. Gibb, left twice, but I just watched Pearl again and Will & Elizabeth only did once(?) since the Pearl crew had already left. But really, much like the whole kiss/shackle in Chest, Will KO'd Jack with an oar and left him there, possibly to die, was not so much of a "fall behind" as a trick/betrayal.
And that is I think part of the point.
Jack is not a "done" character yet. Classic anti-hero to be sure, TPTB are simply making an argument about being a "good man" and a "pirate: def. as whoring, thieving, manipulative, drunk bastard(?)" are not necessarily mutually exclusive. And they are juxtaposing that with the "good" Will/Elizabeth.
Betrayal requires 2 parties: the betrayer and the betrayed. Jack doesn't seem to hold a grudge (hates Pearl crew, not Will, Gibb) about being left behind, only heckling Mr. Gibb about the code at the end. But Will, in Pearl, has a guilty face when he says that Jack "fell behind." Yet he doesn't seem to feel too bad about leaving a "man who would trade another man's life for a ship" (to quote Elizabeth) behind. Why? He's "a pirate" to quote Will, and perhaps it's not wrong to betray a pirate(?). In Chest, Elizabeth obviously feels remorse (though claiming she's "not sorry"), but whether she feels bad about the trick, or the kiss (and it's implications) I cannot say.
As to Sparrow's selfishness and all, I say "pirate." Agreeing with the other posts, he planned to use Will as "leverage" to get back his ship, working each turn of events to his best advantage in Pearl and he managed to work it all out in the end. Yes he tricks Will, sells him out, wants the key/chest for his own ends, yada-Pirate, but getting the heart will save himself (Jack's priority 1) and everyone else, in theory. Part of his not caring for others is "pirate," the other part an act. Flirting with Elizabeth is just sport. Yes he'd tap that if he could, don't think he's really making a play.
I think some people see a "change" in Jack because, like Will and Elizabeth, they WANT him to want to be a good man, and act like the hero we "know he can be" because we love the character so much. Jack gets a pass from everyone (audience and film characters) at the end of Pearl because it all worked out OK in the end. After Chest - to state the obvious - Jack, Will, et al, the story - not done yet. And what I see evolving as much as anything, is that Will & Elizabeth are already a lot more like Jack than they think. Elizabeth has always had a fascination with pirates, and it would seem does want a pirate. His name is Will. IMO.
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What did YOU think of the movie?
Jul 01 2006 18:20 Filed in: Theories,
Analysis, Spoilers
I try not to spoil
movies too much by giving away all the story details.
Ergo THIS is where you can give your analysis of a
particular plot point, preview of upcoming
attraction.
Same rules: respect those around you. No just posting "you're an asshole, and stupid." While that may be true, it doesn't add to the discourse. If you do, you'll be banned and burn in Hell. And of course, try to keep it simple. I don't want to spend hours reading pages and pages of the same crap.
Same rules: respect those around you. No just posting "you're an asshole, and stupid." While that may be true, it doesn't add to the discourse. If you do, you'll be banned and burn in Hell. And of course, try to keep it simple. I don't want to spend hours reading pages and pages of the same crap.